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Good morning Mircea, greetings. Where
do I start? I really don't understand the point of the equations?
02:55
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Ooops! Sorry, I pressed something and it posted itself! Let's
start again: Good morning Mircea, greetings. Where do I start?
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I really don't understand the point of the equations? Let me try
to deconstruct the formula so that you can tell me if I have understood it
correctly: K is your constant. What is it doing? It serves no purpose
whatsoever. And you add it twice at separate stages – first when calculating
the PSI and again when calculating the BEST score. Why not simply add 2*K
somewhere?
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Why not simply omit it? L – is this in a ‘streamline’ position
(i.e. arms extended as in a push off) or simply standing height measured for
some reason while floating? Why floating?
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Weight and thorax circumference completely baffle me – why are
they included? Thorax will show some indication of frontal area but so what?
Weight will tell you how heavy you are when you’re NOT in the water. So what?
When I do the calculations I find that the indexed effect of significant
improvements in speed and/or cycle count are subdued because of the inclusion
of the other factors. Surely effectiveness and efficiency are ONLY concerned
with speed and cycle count? If the body length increases the BEST index rises.
If the weight decreases the BEST index rises. If the thorax circumference decreases
the BEST index reduces. If the time improves the BEST index rises. If the cycle
count decreases the BEST index rises. So, in order to increase the index number
the swimmer can become longer, lose weight, expand the chest, swim faster, or
use fewer strokes. Who cares about three of those? Only two are of importance.
Surely it is simpler to just time, say, a 200 and count the strokes? That will
give you two ‘baseline’ numbers. Next time if the time is constant and stroke
count has decreased then the swimmer is more efficient; if the stroke count is
constant and the time decreases the swimmer is more effective. That’s it. What
else does the swimmer or coach need to know? There is nothing else. Time and
stroke count are all you need.
Bună dimineața Mircea, salutări. De unde să
încep? Eu chiar nu înțeleg punctul de ecuațiile?
02:55
• Ooops! Ne pare rău, am apăsat ceva și ea însăși postat! Să începem
din nou: Bună dimineața, Mircea salutări. De unde să încep? Eu chiar
nu înțeleg punctul de ecuațiile?Lasă-mă să încerc să deconstruiască formula
astfel încât să puteți să-mi spui dacă am înțeles corect: K este constantă
ta. Ce o face? Acesta servește nici un fel de scop. Și tu adauga
de două ori la diferite etape - prima la calcularea PSI și din nou atunci când
se calculează cel mai bun scor. De ce nu pur și simplu se adaugă 2 * K
undeva? De ce nu pur și simplu omite? L - este aceasta într-o poziție
"Streamline" (de exemplu, arme extins ca într-o împingere off) sau
pur și simplu înălțime măsurată pentru un motiv oarecare timp plutitoare în
picioare? De ce plutitoare? Greutate si circumferinta toracelui
șicane complet mine - de ce sunt ele incluse? Torace va arăta anumite
semne de zona frontală, dar atât de ce? Greutate vă va spune cât de greu esti
atunci când nu sunteți în apă. Şi ce dacă? Când fac calculele mi se
pare că efectul indexate de imbunatatiri semnificative in viteza și / sau
numărul de ciclu sunt supus din cauza includerea celorlalți factori. Cu
siguranță eficacitatea și eficiența sunt doar în cauză cu o viteză și numărul
de ciclu? În cazul în care lungimea corpului crește CELE MAI BUNE crește
index. În cazul în care greutatea scade CELE MAI BUNE crește index.Dacă
circumferința toracelui scade cel mai bun indice reduce. Dacă timpul
îmbunătățește CELE MAI BUNE crește index. În cazul în care numărul de
ciclu scade CELE MAI BUNE crește index. Deci, în scopul de a crește
numărul de index înotătorul poate deveni mai, pierde în greutate, extinde
piept, inota mai repede, sau de a folosi mai puține accidente vasculare
cerebrale. Cui îi pasă de trei dintre cei? Doar două sunt de o
importanță. Cu siguranță este mai simplu cu doar timp, să zicem, un 200 și
numără accident vascular cerebral? Care vă va oferi două numere "de
bază". Data viitoare în cazul în care timpul este constant și numărul
de accident vascular cerebral a scazut, atunci înotătorul este mai
eficientă; dacă numărul de accident vascular cerebral este constantă și
intervalul scade înotătorul este mai eficientă. Asta e. Ce mai
înotătorul sau autocarul trebuie să știți? Nu este nimic
altceva. Timp și numărul de accident vascular cerebral sunt tot ce ai
nevoie.
Wrong?
Google Tra
My luck was
that someone wrote to me on Linkedin and so I saw your answer (I do not really
use networks Linkedin ...)
For a long time
I have not supported the cause Concept BEST and here I try to gather to
objectively justify myself, in a form reasonably applied mathematics and logic
allowed.
You put your
big heart correspondence makes it clear that you had good will and you managed
to read it - congratulations ...
I try to
explain, but please have patience ...: This formula was designed especially for
children and those who are not as smart as we adults ....
So in short
-
If you do as
you have noted (correctly!) ... Plus the sum of the number of seconds the
number of tempo, their value will be the better the higher result is below ...;
I think children can be seem unpersuasive ("a lower result will be good
..."), for those we have introduced theoretical formally constant 'K' (=
100) which enables the resulting feedback calculated to have a value positive,
up ...; admit that I used at the onset Release Concept BEST (1983) and was
forced and unrealistic, I admitted that the introduction of the constant 'K' is
artificial and searched it replaced with another steady ... so I reached PIG
(Personal Index of Gliding ...?) in 1999 (there were decades of searching until
I found the cure ...).
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We all know
that everyone has a personal worth of capacity to slip. This amount results
from some biological indicators, which vary from one individual to another but
have a special meaning in connection with body which finishes through the water
....
May I
explain right away ... but until then I hope you accept that good value is important
in achieving a GWP as high speed (a) and is a constant value, at least for a
year (b).
If decrease
in constant PIG amount ('Time' + 'Tempo'), the more you have a smaller amount
... I remain a constant (GWP) higher and therefore credible in mind a beginner
my ... + for me is a value I efficiency has definitely say about what my
athlete swimming and so can start a 'negotiation' of how to swim or ... ..
I hope I
have cleared up on my judgment that takes into account the need to provide a
child-digit Loans (A), and that they can show that the value mathematical
efficiency advance in water (B) using the technique of a sporty swimming, as
required by FINA regulations / TSC (4 basic styles).
Thus, I
assume that the values of 'Time' and 'Tempo' permitted two of us, that if you
decrease their mathematical constant amount GWP value gives us an idea about
the effectiveness of swimming. Do not forget that we talk about all kinds of
people, some fat, some taller, etc.
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So PIG is
calculated (once a year ...) as follows:
'L' = is the
longest that can have a swimmer in the water body, ie floating ventral lying
...; can take simple, only waist height as you propose, but in doing so
deprived me of two important milestones for swimming = 'long hand' and 'foot
size'; So I prefer aa body is constantly stretched out in the water in which
you drop (just like the calculation of efficiency) the sum weight of corporale-
Gr. (onshore) gathered the number of centimeters circumference under axillary
-Q.
"Gr"
= is naturally dry weight on but we know that this water will drop and the body
weight, according to Archimedes' principle, it will be easier and easier so you
float; a heavy body will have difficulty advancing to the floats and ... one will
be slightly favored. Calculate 'specific gravity' of a body in the water,
requires a large hassle, I chose the easiest path ....
'Q' =
represents a landmark advance much linked, meaning that one can oppose
resistance against the progress of the water body (theoretically, even
shipbuilders, admit that resistance will be smaller so .. As the ratio of body
length and overall width has a value date 'formula Froude, Reynolds', ie
radical in length / width - but these calculations are simply impossible to do
for a coach .. even for Bob Bowman (sic), so we opted for significant value and
natural - Circumference sub-axillary / when you do that to tailor a suit)
Finally PIG
equals value 'L' amount minus the number of kilograms 'Gr' together with number
of centimeters (Q), that PIG = L - (Gr. + Q) .... points constant for at least
one year.
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So today,
2015 ... Formula BEST, in the last version ... (do not forget that the material
sent to you dating from 2010, so I think ...) is this:
BEST = PIG -
(Time + Tempo) ... efficient points
BUT, I say
something that you do not tell anyone. It's secret gift 'given to those who
believe in the concept BEST ....
I / Know
that those who swim with the conduct of the sprint using rowing economy ....
they manage to hone technique admirably. So BEST concept can be used,
especially to have a good swimmer with perfect technique.
II / The
same concept can be useful BEST those in category 'masters'; there are many
people who have learned to swim but never got Olympic champions ... most.
Here, if
adopt behavior to swim quickly with little movement will 'become their own
champions' they will improve their technique ... he can mentally calculated the
amount of benefits at a time ...., + PIG, its value may be used by Referee
composition series of race perfectly equal in terms of somatic and so full of
'fair play'
I try to
give this text, for you, a good translator of English (many do not know our
terminology ..), I hope you succeed. If you tried to translate it and make it
intelligible to speakers of English ... you'll have everything you want from me
.... Good luck and God bless!
Anyway,
thanks for the opportunity you gave me once again to plead for 'eureka' My life
coach - BEST concept dated when writing about something not in any work for
swimming (1983)
With great
sympathy
Mircea, 80
old, 19 Nov. 2015 Bucharest @ <Scanave@yahoo.com>
Atash_ my CV
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CURRICULUM VITAE
Name : OLARU,
forname - MIRCEA, romanian ;
Diplomat – teacher :
phisical education / swimming coach
BIRTH DATE/PLACE: 16 Mai 1936, Bolgrad (later Romanien
Basarabia);
FAMILY: wife: Olga Olaru (1947), informaticien at RNC/
Internet National Center of Romania
Daughter: Ana Maria Gunsel/Olaru (1969): Prof. lecturer at
Cukurova Univ. Adana Turkey [Ilhami –1967, husband Museum Curator, Oxford Univ.
Master, Jan Paul, 2000, student]
POSTAL ADDRESS:
Romania: 011455 Bd Averescu Nr.1,
bl 1, sc A, ap 20, Bucharest;
@mail
scanave@yahoo.com
EDUCATION + ACTIVITY:
[Graduate (9,20%) ICF/
actual A.N.E.F.S Bucharest -1963 , 1st
degree ph.ed. teacher (1982)]
1963 – Resercer al Central Institute of Sports-Research, Buc., Romania;
1968 – Swimming trainer at Sports School Club Nr 1 PAJURA
Bucharest; coach ctg:1-st/’70;
1974 – Swimming coach at
I.Y.I.K Istanbul, Turkey;
1976 – Swimming coach at National Swimming High-school in
Bucharest, Romania;
1982 – Federal coach al Romanian Swimming Federation (elected
by the vote of coaches!)
1986 – Swimming trainer al Sports school Club nr 1 Buc ,
Romania;
1990 – Counselor trainer of the Turkish Swimming Fed.,
Ankara, Bolu, Kastamonu, a.a.;
1995 – Prof. asociat at Univ. Ecologica Bucuresti, swimming
manual lessons, seminars;
1998 – pensioned: after 37 age-old in coaching-sport areea
with aprox. 25.000 subiect learn-swimming, many
generations of romanian champions (I was federal coach responsable to
degree of the best romanian swimmers, lake: Carmen Bunaciu, Anca Patrascoiu –
JO Los Angeles/1984, also, for Tamara Costache: she was first WR of 50m free in Madrid CM / ‘86 with 0.25,28;
also I coached with great succesfuly some turkysh swimmers, for ex. 1974: 200 IM male – 2.14, 00 or 100m
Breastroke- 1.10,00, two swimmers;
1983 – I start to make know in the swimming-world the
my ‘BEST-formul’/’Biomechanical Efficiency Swimming Test’ (she can be calculate
very easy BEST = 100 – (Time+Strokes), one new practical methode to testing and
clasification of the swimming-efficiency matter, also,(see Mag. EFS 1983/2,
p.25)***
In Sept.
/ 99, I imaginate one other formul
‘Personal Gliding Index’ / PGI = L – ( Kg. +
Q)
this mean: L= the Body lenght in gliding position (with the
arms stretched forward); Kg.= Weight; Q = Nr. of Cm. between the under-armpit
circumference (or other antropomophic measurmeants - angle, degree s.a –see
Froude, Reynolds Nr.in hidrodinamics laws).
PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITY:
1950-1961 : component of the National Swim-Teams: 100m fly-1.06,10 / 1954, Nov.,
Rostock/25m, ex-DDR [the 5ft. Top.WC In that moment]
1959 – 1963 – student of the National Sport Institute ICF , Bucharest,
Ro.. grd. 9,20%
1963-1968 : 5 years, experiments a new-methodical line of
the fast+corectly swim teaching - “Research Center” – Viitorul, Bucarest;
1970 – publishes 1stt ‘swimming-learning broshure ’
(75.000 ex., color);
1971 -
Manual ‘Swimming Lessons’, 120
pg., (10.000 ex);
1982 – Swimming - Methodical Manual’ (5000 ex);
1984 – 2nd ‘swimming-learnig brochure’ (25000 ex);
1988 – 2nd manual ‘Swimming Lesons’ / Don`t be
afraid for the water (5000 ex);
1993 –
Manuals and leson plans (2) for student of Univ. Ecologica- Bucuresti;
1995 – 4 color
posters with “swimm-strokes’ dedicate to explain the BEST new concept,
the all 4 posters in colaboration with Canada Swim/Natation – Trevor Tiffany,
4000 ex..
1999 - mag.'Stiinta Sportului', ed CCPS, Referat -
‘Un nou concept in pregatirea inotatorilor'.
2007 - swimbook ‚Despre inot ... cu Mircea Olaru1
(About swimming... with Mircea Olaru), a small sport-enciclopedia, 1000 ex
Sponsorized by InfoTurism Buchrest, promotional book
1965-1999: published
tens of scientifical articles, paperin, inventor of some swimming apparatus
....;
*** This 2 new
‘instruments’ (the ‘BEST’ and ‘PGI’ formuls) can be use in one new kind to make testings and
classification among the swimmers in to 50m Events; the all competitors / series, will be
organisates by the one ‘PGI-annual-card’, combinated both: PGI – (T + S) this
is one method to make the control of the moving efficincy and the organisation
in the equall series among the swimmers without age and sexes criterions, only
by the PGI –annual Card who can by easy recalculate in every years....
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Clive…..
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Norocul meu
a fost ca cievea mi-a scris pe Linkedin si asa ma vazut raspunsul tau (eu nu
prea folosesc reteau Linkedin…)
De mult timp
nu am mai sustinut cauza Conceptului BEST si iata ca incerc sa ma adun pentru a
ma justifica in mod obiectiv, rational sub o forma matematica aplicata si
admisa ca logica.
Ai pus
suflet mare in corespondenta ta, este clar ca ai avut bunavointa si ai reusit
sa citesti totul - te felicit…
Incerc sa ma
explic, dar te rog sa ai rabdare…: aceasta formula a fost destinata, mai ales,
copiilor si a celor care nu sunt asa de destepti precum suntem noi adultii….
Deci, pe
scurt -
Daca fac asa
cum ai remarcat tu (corect !)…, suma numarului de secunde plus a numarului de
tempo, valoare lor va fi cu atat mai buna cu cat rezultatul este mai mic…; eu cred
ca copiilor poate sa li se para neconvingator (“un rezultat mai mic sa fie unul
bun…”), de aceia am introdus theoretic, formal, constanta ‘K’ (=100) care facea
posibil ca rezulatul calculului sa aibe o valoare pozitiva, in crestere…; recunosc
ca acest lucru l-am folosit la debutul lansarii Conceptului BEST(1983) si era
fortat si nerealist, am admis ca introducerea constantei ‘K’ este artificiala
si am cautat s-o inlocuiesc cu alta constanta…, asa am ajuns la PIG (Personal
Index of Gliding…?)in 1999 (au fost zeci de ani de cautari pana am gasit
remediul…).
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Toti stim ca
fiecare om are o valoare personala a capacitatii de a aluneca. Aceasta valoare rezulta
din niste indicatori biologici, care variaza dela un individ la altul dar care au
o insemnatate aparte in legatura cu corpul care inainteaza prin apa….
Mai voi
explica imediat…, dar pana atunci sper
sa accepti ca o valoare buna PIG este importanta in realizarea unei viteze cat
mai ridicata(a) si este si o valoare constanta, cel putin pentru un an de zile(b).
Daca scad
din constanta PIG suma (‘Timp’+’Tempo’), cu cat voi avea o suma mai mica… imi
ramane o constanta (PIG) mai mare si deci credibila in mintea incepatorului meu…
+ pentru mine este o valoare care imi
spune cert cam ce eficienta are sportivul meu la inot si asa pot incepe o
‘negociere’ a felului sau de a inota…..
Sper ca
te-am lamurit asupra rationamentului meu care are in vedere nevoia de a oferi
unui copil cifre credibile(A), si faptul ca acestea pot arata care este
valoarea matematica a eficientei de inaintare in apa(B) folosind tehnica unui
stil sportiv de inot, asa cum prevede regulamentul FINA/TSC (cele 4 stiluri de
baza).
Astfel, presupun
ca valorile ‘Timp’ si ‘Tempo’ sunt acceptate de noi doi, adica daca scad
mathematic suma lor din constanta PIG, valoarea ne da o ideie despre eficienta
celui care inoata. Sa nu uitam ca vorbim despre fel de fel de oameni, unii
grasi, altii inalti, etc.
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Deci PIG se
calculeaza ( o singura data pe an…) astfel:
‘L’ =
reprezinta lungimea cea mai mare pe care o poate avea un corp de inotator aflat
in apa, adica in plutire ventrala intinsa…; pot sa iau, simplu, doar Talia, Inaltimea
cum propui tu, dar facand asa ma lipsesc de doua repere importante pentru inot
= ‘lungimea palmei’ si ‘marimea labei piciorului’; deci eu prefer valoarea
constanta a a corpului aflat intins in apa din care voi scadea (exact ca la
calculul eficientei) suma Greutatii corporale- Gr. (pe uscat) adunata cu Numarul
de centimetri a circumferintei sub axilare -Q.
“Gr” =
reprezinta, firesc, greutatea corpului pe uscat dar stim ca in apa aceasta
greutate va scadea iar corpul, conform principiului lui Arhimede, va fi mai
usor si deci va pluti mai usor; un corp greu va avea dificultati la plutire si
inaintare…, unul usor va fi avantajat. A calcula ‘greutatea specifica’ a unui
corp aflat in apa, presupune o mare bataie de cap, de aceea am ales cea mai
simpla cale….
“Q” = reprezinta un reper mult legat de inaintare,
adica de rezistenta pe care o poate opune apa impotriva inaintarii corpului (
theoretic, chiar constructorii de nave, admit ca rezistenta va fi cu atat mai
mica.., cu cat raportul intre lungimea corpului si latimea sa maxima are o
valoare data de ‘formula Froude-Reynolds’, adica radical din lungime/latime –
dar aceste calcule sunt imposibil de facut pentru un simplu antrenor.., chiar
si pentru Bob Bowman(sic), asa ca am optat pentru o valoare semnificativa si
fireasca - Circumferinta sub-axilara /
ca la croitor cand iti faci un costum de haine)
In final PIG
este egal cu valoare ‘’L’ minus valoare sumei Numarului de kilograme ‘Gr’ adunat
cu Numarul de centimetri(Q), adica PIG = L –(Gr.+Q)…. puncte constante timp de
minimum un an calendaristic.
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Asa ca azi, in
2015…, Formula BEST, in ultima sa varianta…(nu uita ca materialul trimis tie
dateaza din 2010, asa am impresia…) este asa:
BEST = PIG –
(Timp+Tempo)… puncte de eficienta
DAR, iti
spun ceva care nu-l spun nimanui. Este ‘cadoul secret’ oferit celor care cred
in Conceptul BEST….
I/ Sa stii
ca cei care inoata avand conduita de a sprinta folosind economie de vasliri…. reusesc
sa PERFECTIONEZE admirabil tehnica. Deci Conceptul BEST poate fi folosit, mai
ales, pentru a avea un bun inotator cu tehnica perfecta.
II/ La fel,
Conceptul BEST poate fi util celor din categoria ‘masters’; sunt foarte multi oameni
care au invatat sa inoate dar nu au ajuns campioni olimpici…, cei mai multi.
Acestia,
daca adopta conduita de a inota repede cu miscari putine vor ‘deveni proprii
lor campioni’, ei isi vor imbunatati tehnica…, isi pot calcula mental valoarea
prestatiei la un moment dat…., + PIG,
valoarea sa, poate fi folosita de arbitri, la alcatuirea unor serii de
intrecere perfect egale din punct de vedere somatic si deci pline de
‘faire-play’
Eu incerc sa
dau acest text, destinat tie, la un traducator bun de limba engleza (multi nu
cunosc terminologia noastra..), sper sa reusesc. Daca TU ai incerca sa-l
traduci si sa-l faci inteligibil pentru
vorbitorii de engleza… vei avea dela mine tot ce doresti…. Succes si Doamne
ajuta !
Oricum iti
multumesc ca mi-ai dat ocazia, inca odata, de a pleda pentru ‘evrika’ vietii
mele de antrenor – Conceptul BEST, datat cand despre asa ceva nu se scria in
nicio lucrare de inot (1983)
Cu mare
simpatie
Atash_ my
CV….
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